[PJUG Javamail] Talking about Oracle and Java?

[Joe Hoffman]

Whatever discussion we have, I think it needs to have two components.

1) What do we expect (speculation) Oracle to do with Java?
2) What is the industries perception of the future of Java, and how  
that impacts the future of the platform.

Preston mentioned the second one,  and I think it's more important  
than our opinions on #1, as #2 drives the future possibilities.

-joe


On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Preston Crawford wrote:

> On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Jon Batcheller  
> <jon.batcheller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree.  Right venue.  November meeting??
>>
>> Any volunteer to moderate?  Without oracle decision makers there  
>> though are we not just making wild guesses into the future?
>>
>
> That's why I asked first. I didn't want to dive into wild  
> speculation, but I want to talk about what we know and what it  
> means. Any talk of splitting the vm userbase seems very dangerous.  
> Lack of fragmentation, vendor homogeneity and reliability of the  
> platform being supported are often stated reasons why companies  
> still trust Windows over Linux. C# over Java.
>
> My concern is that this doesn't help. And simply from the standpoint  
> of stating relevant it has me learning new languages or getting  
> better with Python, etc. Maybe even picking up a copy of Windows and  
> installing Microsoft tools to learn them.
>
> While I can choose the software I develop with on personal projects,  
> my startup, etc. I fear I will soon have to consider a world where  
> Java is less regarded in the boardroom.
>
> Preston
>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Bill Jackson <wajiii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Richard Johnson  
>>> <richard at ytivarg.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 07, 2010 04:51:10 am Preston Crawford wrote:
>>> > would PJUG be an inappropriate place to discuss Java's
>>> > future?
>>>
>>> I think that discussion is not only appropriate for PJUG,
>>>
>>> I agree with Richard and Daniel; of course we should discuss this  
>>> kind of stuff at PJUG.
>>>
>>>
>>> but that PJUG is a necessary starting point for such  
>>> discussions.   Those who make decisions  about what languages to  
>>> use need to at least initially make their concerns  known where  
>>> Oracle can hear them.
>>>
>>> I would not expect Oracle to hear anything based on what goes on  
>>> at PJUG.  Expecting anything else is greatly overestimating the  
>>> influence of any Oracle employees that might attend.  Nobody from  
>>> Oracle is there in any sort of  "official" capacity.  (Other  
>>> Oracle folks: feel free to speak up if I'm wrong about this.)
>>>
>>>
>>> If Oracle chooses another path, then creating a mailing list or  
>>> meeting forum is not that hard.
>>>
>>> Sort of like the mailing list we are using right now?  :)  Don't  
>>> forget, Oracle has no control over or even real involvement with  
>>> PJUG except for providing the meeting space and drinks.  This  
>>> group is Jon's baby.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Bill
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