[PJUG Javamail] Spring versus Seam

[Vijay Balakrishnan]

Hi Chris,
That is good to know but wanted to correct 1 comment. Seam works equally
well if not better with NetBeans. If you work with Hibernate as your O/R
mapping layer or JPA, Seam will serve you really well. If someone loves
Spring, you can integrate Seam with Spring too.

Having worked with JSF and all its bugs in the various implementations, Seam
is definitely a game changer and way more stable than something like Spring
Roo. I do love Spring for its D.I. Spring Roo though I will stay away from
for at least 1 more year. The best part about Seam is being able to use
Facelets for the UI layer instead of JSPs.
The recommendation would vary based on what Bruce's needs were but he is
already using RichFaces for his web app and moving to Seam should be
easier.If he were using Spring MVC for his current web app, my
recommendation would be much different.


Vijay

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Chris Kessel/Lou Doherty <
chriskessel at verizon.net> wrote:

>  We used it about 9 months ago on a project where I worked and Seam was
> nice in concept, but just chocked full of bugs. All sorts of problems with
> iterators on persistent items and such, especially as related to Seam GUI
> components. We spent a lot of time working around bugs and/or trying to
> figure out if if something was us or the Seam library with the probelm. We
> even had a couple, um, Red Hat(?, whoever bought JBoss) consultants helping
> us work around the issues and it was still painful. Seam was pretty heavily
> tied to Eclipse only too, so if you're not an Eclipse-only shop, you might
> have cross IDE issues.
>
>
>
> 9 months ago though is a lifetime in the maturity of an early product, so
> take my comments with a grain of salt for how it might be today. Personally,
> I like Spring and would probably use that and it's JPA integration with some
> other GUI entirely (like GWT, Tapestry, etc).
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* javamail-bounces at pjug.org [mailto:javamail-bounces at pjug.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Vijay Balakrishnan
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:23 PM
> *To:* Bruce Kaufman
> *Cc:* javamail at pjug.org
> *Subject:* Re: [PJUG Javamail] Spring versus Seam
>
>
>
> I have looked at Seam and it is definitely a very elegant, tightly
> integrated solution for a stateful web app trying to access a hibernate or
> JPA based app on JDK5. Seam also takes care of the back button issue like
> Spring MVC. It also integrates ICEFaces and RichFaces in and also has jBPM
> support with Drools(I think). Seam takes care of the LazyInitialization
> issue that happens commonly with Spring apps talking to Hibernate(source of
> a long email chain on PJUG recently). That is 1 of the main reason Gavin
> King, the Hibernate guy went for the jugular in his dispute with Spring
> which is a stateless framework. Seam also plays well with Spring framework
> if you insist on it.Spring is trying to get back at Seam with Spring Roo but
> it is still in beta and a newly started project.
>
>
>
> Seam fixes a lot of the issues with JSF1.2 and handles all the scenarios
> you have mentioned below.
>
> "Seam In Action" is a great starter book.
>
>
>
> If you have a backend database schema you can point to, seam-gen Ant task
> will generate all the CRUD code all the way to a working Web UI using JSF
> and Facelets(it uses HibernateTools for the reverse engineering and
> Hibernate templates to generate the UI/View layer).
>
>
>
> Vijay
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Bruce Kaufman <bjan11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am looking to refactoring my web application (currently RichFaces) to use
> either Spring or Seam. I am looking for a more elegant solution for
> "stateful" situations and the "browser back" key.
>
> Has anyone recently evaluated them and have any comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce Kaufman
> www.WoodsWithNoBorders.com
>
>
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