[PJUG Javamail] Javamail Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3
Logan Testa
logan_testa at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 3 15:41:16 EDT 2009
Dear Byorn Anderson,
I am interested in learning more about the entry-level opportunities you mentioned. What program did you write the job description in? Is it available in word or .pdf? Thank you much. Hope things are going well for you and you have a good weekend.
Logan Testa
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> 1. Re: Is software engineering in the US dead? (David H Elrod)
> 2. Apex- 2 Entry Level Java Developers (Portland, Oregon)
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> From: David H Elrod <dhelrod at rivendell.com>
> Subject: Re: [PJUG Javamail] Is software engineering in the US dead?
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> I was once working on a Java front end for a Digital X-Ray
> system. The code had passed industry interoperability
> tests, but it still needed a lot of work on the GUI to make
> it easier to use- and things showed up in testing that needed
> to be addressed before putting it in front of doctors and
> nurses.
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> Suddenly the project was moved to China, because the US
> route was too expensive.
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> My "boss", in Japan, tried to convince the folks above him not
> to take this step, but failed. He told me that in his experience...
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> Work done outside of US and Western Europe:
> + Generally was delivered on time.
> + Cost very close to the original budget amount.
> + Met the specifications almost exactly.
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> Work done in the US and Europe:
> + Usually took 50% to 100% longer than estimated.
> + Generally ran 50% to 200% over budget
> + Generally came close the the specs, but ...
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> He said that the market changed so rapidly around the
> world, that they (huge Japanese international company)
> couldn't accurately specify the product. He said the
> code done in the US and Western Europe often didn't
> meet the original specifications because the developers
> saw the changing markets and adapted the product during
> development.
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> "If the specification says the software must support
> GIF images", he said, "the US/Western Europe version
> will have a table built in so that adding JPEG and PNG
> can be done by extending the contract a few months.
> The 'other' version will end up with 'GIF' hardcoded in
> to various parts of the code, and to add new images
> might require a total re-write of the product."
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> He explained that developers such as myself would
> push back if we feel a feature should or should-not be
> in the product, and try to get the spec changed. He
> had found that this "push-back" often indicated that
> the spec was not (or no longer) met with where the
> market was going, and sometimes ended up being a
> feature that would make or break the product's
> usability or saleability.
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> He said, that in his experience, the US/Western European
> version was harder to manage, but when they FINALLY
> got a product - it was something they could use and sell.
> It took longer to recover their investment, but they COULD
> recover their investment. He said that most of the code t
> hey had written from other places needed a whole lot of
> work, and more often than not was dropped.
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> I don't know if this tradeoff of "flexibility" vs. "time/money"
> still applies, but I suspect it often does.
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> David Elrod
> dhelrod at rivendell.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: 2 Oct 2009 18:34:52 -0400
> From: Bjorn Anderson <banderson at apexsystemsinc.com>
> Subject: [PJUG Javamail] Apex- 2 Entry Level Java Developers
> (Portland, Oregon)
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> Good Afternoon,
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> I've attached the job description for 2 Contract to Hire Entry-Level Java Developer roles we have currently open.
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> This is truly entry level and they're looking for someone pretty much 1-3 yrs out of college.
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> Thanks and please let me know if you or anyone else may be interested- Have a great wkd
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> Office: 503-293-2900
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