[PJUG Javamail] newbie question on Sun java 5 EE application server

[Ken Paulsen]

Michael Phoenix wrote:
> Yeah, it's kind of hard to figure exactly where the SDK ends and the 
> application server begins. I did a uninstall, which according to the 
> windows presented unistalls the entire Java 5 EE SDK. What makes it a 
> little more confusing is that the EE SDK installs the SE SDK as one of 
> its components.
> BTW, Ken, I want to use the Sun PE 9 Server because I am taking the 
> Javapassion J2EE on-line class and they are using the Sun server. I'll 
> probably check out Glassfish when I get a little more comfortable with 
> application servers in general.
FYI, Java EE 5 SDK, SJS AS PE 9.x, and GlassFish are all the same 
server.  The non-GlassFish named servers are simply better tested builds 
w/ official support offerings & a GUI installer.  All are free for any use.

Ken
>  
> Mike
>  
>
>
> On 10/17/06, *Ken Paulsen* <Ken.Paulsen at sun.com 
> <mailto:Ken.Paulsen at sun.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     As a member of the engineering team, I can assure you we are
>     equally disappointed.  :)  Engineering picked name: GlassFish
>     (sure it doesn't mean anything, but it's short and relatively easy
>     to remember).  Marketing picked names:
>
>         Sun Java System Application Server Platform Edition 9
>         Java EE 5 SDK
>
>     The first is longer than many sentences, the 2nd doesn't say
>     anything about being an app server.  Both are so generic you don't
>     realize they are products.  Most of our other "products" are
>     equally butchered.  :(
>
>     Ken
>
>
>     Joe Hoffman wrote:
>>     Ken,
>>
>>     Thanks for the lesson on Sun's SDK,  ah er, I mean AppServer.
>>
>>     Obviously I"ve not played wiith this thing called Java EE 5 SDK,    I 
>>     guess the label of 5 and EE together should have given  me a clue it's 
>>     not my daddy's EE SDK.
>>
>>     What on earth is the naming team thinking?   This is quite confusing to 
>>     the community to use the term SDK to refer to a container.
>>
>>     But here I  go again trying to put reason behind corporate actions.  
>>     Shame on me.
>>
>>     joe
>>
>>     Ken Paulsen wrote:
>>       
>>>     Joe Hoffman wrote:
>>>         
>>>>     Mike,
>>>>
>>>>     There seems to be some confusion about the difference between an SDK and 
>>>>     an application Server.  I'd suggest you investigate those terms on 
>>>>     Wikipedia.  Sorry for the short reply, but it seems quicker to refer you 
>>>>     to a good resource rather than me repeating something that's already 
>>>>     documented well.
>>>>
>>>>     As for your lockout problem, I'm not sure which application server 
>>>>     you've downloaded,
>>>>           
>>>     Sun's product, the "Java EE 5 SDK", is an application server... I 
>>>     believe this is what he downloaded.
>>>         
>>>>     but most of them are not easily broken into. Assuming you've not done any significant amount of setup, it will likely 
>>>>     be easier (less time) to just reinstall it.  Besides, consider that this 
>>>>     gives you more installation practice.
>>>>       
>>>>           
>>>     Yes, this is true...
>>>
>>>     The checkbox you're referring to won't disable the login/password for 
>>>     the admin console.  You'll still need to know the admin username / 
>>>     password.  The default is: admin/adminadmin.  But if you chose 
>>>     something else... then it's probably easier to re-install.
>>>
>>>     When you reinstall, make sure your server is stopped.  If you're 
>>>     reinstalling in the same directory, it's best if you remove the old 
>>>     files first.
>>>
>>>     Good luck!
>>>
>>>     Ken
>>>
>>>     P.S.  If you're doing this for your own education, I'd recommend a 
>>>     recent GlassFish build.  It's the same code-base, but has more 
>>>     features / bug fixes.  There are several significant JSF bug fixes 
>>>     that are in GlassFish but not in the Java EE 5 SDK / or SJS AS 9.x.  
>>>     GlassFish is more "bleeding edge," though...
>>>         
>>>>     good luck Mike,
>>>>
>>>>     joe
>>>>
>>>>     Michael Phoenix wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>           
>>>>>     I downloaded and installed the Java 5 EE SDK and managed to lock 
>>>>>     myself out of the application server admin console. I don't remember 
>>>>>     exactly what I did when installing but I didn't do what the tutorial 
>>>>>     seggested and select the Don't Prompt for Admin User Name radio 
>>>>>     button. Is there anyway that I can fix this or do I just have 
>>>>>     to re-install the whole SDK?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>     Mike
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